Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/06/2000 01:50 PM House FIN

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HOUSE BILL NO. 207                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
An Act relating to the registration of persons who                                                                              
perform home inspections; and providing for an                                                                                  
effective date.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NORMAN ROKEBERG stated that HB 207 would                                                                         
protect consumers and the home inspection industry by                                                                           
licensing home inspectors in Alaska.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He noted that consumers deserve assurance that the home                                                                         
inspector that they hire is competent and that they have                                                                        
recourse against inspectors that are not. HB 207 would                                                                          
accomplish that by establishing licensing qualifications                                                                        
such as registration, insurance, and proof of competency via                                                                    
a written and practical examination. Home inspectors will                                                                       
also be required to provide consumers with an inspection                                                                        
report, using a standardized checklist comprised of elements                                                                    
deemed necessary by the industry for a thorough home                                                                            
inspection.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rokeberg commented that a faulty inspection                                                                      
could have serious consequences for consumers, particularly                                                                     
when they are buying or selling a home. Common sense                                                                            
dictates that home inspectors must be held accountable for                                                                      
their work. The legislation would limit legal actions                                                                           
against a licensed and registered home inspector to a                                                                           
written home inspection report not more than one year old                                                                       
and/or lawfully disclosed. Also, the penalty the court may                                                                      
impose is not more than $500 for each violation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder noted the language shifts between the                                                                           
various committee substitutes.  He questioned why the State                                                                     
should create another board.  Representative Rokeberg                                                                           
responded that there would be more enforcement while                                                                            
protecting the consumer.  Additionally, it was not the                                                                          
intent, to write the regulations into the statute.  He                                                                          
believed that to draft the regulations is warranted, as it                                                                      
would specify an examination.  He stated that they would                                                                        
have failed in the effort to provide the sounding board                                                                         
without a board.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman voiced concern with the                                                                                
qualifications outlined for the inspectors.  Representative                                                                     
Rokeberg replied that the home inspectors would not be                                                                          
inspecting the new homes.  Additionally, those home                                                                             
inspectors should be providing nothing more than a "visual                                                                      
inspection" of the home.  He noted that there would be a                                                                        
liability associated with the inspection.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked if the liability would be                                                                        
terminated after a one-year inspection.  Representative                                                                         
Austerman disagreed with that concept.  Representative                                                                          
Rokeberg replied that it would not be shifted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman questioned how much liability would                                                                    
need to be purchased.  Representative Rokeberg replied.                                                                         
(Testimony inaudible).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative G. Davis questioned the reason for the                                                                           
legislation.  Representative Rokeberg spoke about the                                                                           
reporting fee.  (Testimony inaudible).  He noted that there                                                                     
could be a limitation to that damage.  He added that people                                                                     
are reluctant to break their word by signing an agreement.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rokeberg commented on the typical routine of                                                                     
an inspection.  The State disclosure law "kicks" in and then                                                                    
it is bargained; however, he acknowledged that there are                                                                        
instances, when there are errors made in the report.  He                                                                        
expounded that the idea of the bill was to relieve the                                                                          
liability of the real estate inspector.  (Testimony                                                                             
inaudible).                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder voiced concern when determining the home                                                                        
inspection business.  Representative Rokeberg stated that in                                                                    
the statute, there are requirements for the examination.  He                                                                    
stated that there would be a "flushing out".   Co-Chair                                                                         
Mulder asked the amount of experience required.                                                                                 
Representative Rokeberg responded that list was included in                                                                     
the legislation on Page 3, Line 11.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder voiced concern that this would create a                                                                         
"good old boy club" and would be very difficult for a new                                                                       
person to break into.  He advised that he was reluctant to                                                                      
make rules that contain admission and exclusion. Home                                                                           
inspection is a very important function and qualified home                                                                      
inspectors are necessary.  Representative Rokeberg replied                                                                      
that there are specific provisions listed on Page 2.  Co-                                                                       
Chair Mulder argued that those provisions specify what is                                                                       
needed to become an associate inspector is that the person                                                                      
must work under an existing inspector.  He reiterated that                                                                      
it would be difficult for a new person to get in.  He                                                                           
emphasized that there would have to be an existing entity                                                                       
who would be willing to take you on.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder agreed that there would be too much power in                                                                    
the hands of the board.  Representative G. Davis pointed out                                                                    
that engineers are also home inspectors.  Those people could                                                                    
get out from under the "thumb" of the proposed board.                                                                           
Representative Rokeberg interjected that State law currently                                                                    
indicates that a person has to work two years as an                                                                             
engineer's assistant before they can take the examination.                                                                      
He suggested that any kind of professional license could be                                                                     
classified as a professional "guild".                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder acknowledged that home inspection is not                                                                        
"rocket science".  He noted that he would create a Letter of                                                                    
Intent to accompany the bill, to clarify that this should                                                                       
remain an open profession.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked if there was a sunset clause.                                                                    
Representative Austerman voiced his support of a sunset                                                                         
clause.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
(TAPE CHANGE, HFC 00 - 107, Side 2).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman inquired the types of liability a                                                                      
realtor had which would be given up to the inspector.                                                                           
Representative Rokeberg spoke to the shifting around of the                                                                     
responsibility and the liability for a realtor.  He noted                                                                       
that the standards are based on what you "should have known"                                                                    
given a reasonable basis.  He added that most real estate                                                                       
brokers are not trained in inspecting.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault questioned language on Page 6, Line 5,                                                                      
"alleging & proving".                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE REARDON, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF LISCENSING,                                                                            
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY & ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, explained                                                                       
that language was a quote from the contractor's statute.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault questioned the exemptions listed on Page                                                                    
7.  He asked if all those persons would be excluded.                                                                            
Representative Rokeberg explained that was correct.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault pointed out the amendment proposed by                                                                       
Representative Rokeberg.  [Copy on File].  Representative J.                                                                    
Davies commented that it "did not make sense" the way it was                                                                    
drafted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
RON JOHNSON, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), REAL ESTATE                                                                        
COMMISSION, KENAI, addressed a concern on Page 4, the                                                                           
identification requirements.  He asked the reason for using                                                                     
the license number.  He stated that appraisers are not now                                                                      
required to use their license numbers for advertising.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He asked about using the title "license home inspector" even                                                                    
if the person was an engineer.  Mr. Johnson noted that the                                                                      
major concern rests on Page 5, listing the types of                                                                             
insurance.  He pointed out that there is no consumer                                                                            
protection in that language and he urged that section be                                                                        
removed from the bill.  Mr. Johnson listed additional                                                                           
concerns with the proposed legislation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson concluded, stating that in the fiscal note, most                                                                    
of money would be used for developing education material.                                                                       
He pointed out that there already exists a "wealth" of                                                                          
education material available on line.  He recommended that                                                                      
inclusion should be reconsidered.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
In response to Mr. Johnson, Representative Rokeberg stated                                                                      
that the bill would not address his liability, but rather                                                                       
the one-year life of the report.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEAVE FEEKEN, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), ALASKAN                                                                           
ASSOCIATION OF REALATORS, KENAI, observed that the concept                                                                      
for this legislation originated from complaints of buyers                                                                       
and sellers in the real estate industry from the home                                                                           
inspectors being used.  He echoed concerns voiced by Mr.                                                                        
Johnson.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BRUNO REHBEIN, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), MAT-SU,                                                                          
stated that most of his concerns had been previously                                                                            
addressed. He observed that the legislation is going to                                                                         
cover new and pre-existing homes and that the costs would go                                                                    
up.  He asked why the homebuilder was not being represented                                                                     
on the board.  Mr. Rehbein inquired who was being protected                                                                     
through the legislation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BILL BRUU, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), MAT-SU, commented                                                                    
that the purpose of the amendment is to assure that the home                                                                    
inspector's liability would not go on forever.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies questioned why the home inspector                                                                      
would have to give himself permission to do the repairs.                                                                        
Mr. Bruu responded that there is no other place in statute                                                                      
that addressees that concern.  The home inspector needs to                                                                      
have control over the report and to be covered for long term                                                                    
liability.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked if it was the intent that the                                                                    
information received from the inspection be used without the                                                                    
written consent from the person who ordered it.  Mr. Bruu                                                                       
explained that the intent was not to release it to anyone,                                                                      
subsequent other than those listed in Sections (A) & (B).                                                                       
The problem which has arisen, is that once the report is                                                                        
released by the home inspector to the buyer, a number of                                                                        
party's call for an interpretation of that document.     He                                                                     
observed that they could receive as many as 6 to 8 calls                                                                        
with requests for information.   He stressed the liability                                                                      
attached to the reports.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DAVID OWENS, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), OWENS                                                                              
INSPECTION SERVICES, PALMER, testified in opposition to the                                                                     
legislation. He added that the Mat-Su Homebuilders                                                                              
Association also opposes the legislation and that they would                                                                    
forward a letter stating their views on the concern.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon stated that the original version was modeled                                                                        
after the Construction Contractor statute, AS 08.18.151.                                                                        
She added that public liability insurance could have come                                                                       
from the Construction Contractor statute.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon referred to the fiscal note. She observed that                                                                      
the original note has $25 thousand dollars included for an                                                                      
examination.  The current note removes the exam money.                                                                          
There continues to be a fiscal note that estimates an $800                                                                      
dollar fee if there are 100 inspectors.  She observed that                                                                      
it would be less if there were more inspectors.  Ms. Reardon                                                                    
noted that there is a sunset date of 2004, established in                                                                       
Section #3, Page 9.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BITNEY, LEGISLATIVE LIAISON, ALASKA HOUSING FINANCE                                                                        
CORPORATION (AHFC), ANCHORAGE, testified in support of the                                                                      
legislation. The current practice for AHFC would be changed                                                                     
under Sections 4 and 5.  Currently, in all new construction,                                                                    
there is a standard for qualification of purchase with a                                                                        
home mortgage with AHFC.  He pointed out that there is a                                                                        
five-step process that has to be signed off on.  The bill                                                                       
would guarantee that these people are able to certify homes                                                                     
to qualify for purchase by AHFC.  During the transition                                                                         
period, International Conference of Building Officials                                                                          
(ICBO) would be eliminated and only state home inspectors,                                                                      
on behalf of AHFC, would be recognized.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bitney continued that there are a number of                                                                                 
circumstances where people have purchased homes.  They have                                                                     
been told that the home had been inspected.  In Alaska, that                                                                    
can mean different things depending on the individual sale.                                                                     
When something goes wrong with the home, the case is that                                                                       
the homebuyer is out a substantial investment and they want                                                                     
to sue everyone.  He observed that AHFC has been called on                                                                      
for assistance and is concerned over the liability                                                                              
associated with that. The legislation would create a "level                                                                     
playing field" and would establish a more identifiable State                                                                    
standard.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked if the legislation would                                                                         
apply to energy raters. Mr. Bitney responded that it would                                                                      
not apply to energy raters.  He noted that further on in the                                                                    
AHFC statutes, the energy efficiency standards are                                                                              
established.  The bill does not address that statute.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault stated that HB 207 would be HELD in                                                                         
Committee for further consideration.                                                                                            

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